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Post by pbc64 on Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:06 am

Would anyone know what the colors on a 84b philco should be. I know the body is one color and the center is offset with another thanks paul
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Post by 75X11 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:58 pm

Here are a few images I brought up on Bing.  Hope they help.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=philco+84B&FORM=HDRSC2
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Post by pbc64 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:13 pm

Thank you I was looking for what the colors are I am doing medium brown walnut and from what I have been reading the center is a golden oak thanks again
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:40 pm

That radio was made 80 years ago. Nobody who was around when it was built, if they are still alive, can remember what color, exactly, it was when it was new. If you are not worried about the "correct police" why not get the color as close as you think reasonable, do your best work, then sit back and enjoy the fruits of a job well done. 100 years from now nobody will give two hoots no matter how you do it. Good luck.

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Post by 75X11 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:50 pm

Is this the scheme you had in mind?

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Post by pbc64 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:15 pm

Yes that is the one I think its medium brown walnut what color is the center
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:01 pm

My belief is that if you were to finish you radio like in that picture, you should be happy with the results.

The "color" in the center may be natural, unstained veneer. Philco liked using that type of veneer in its cabinets. I would remove the old finish and just refinish it natural, like it is, no stain or anything.

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Post by pbc64 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:48 pm

That sounds great that will save some money.when I am ready I will just clear it and see what it looks like and I still need to know how to make my picture to size so the site will accept it I will figure that out thanks paul
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Post by 75X11 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:07 pm

This thread has some tips on hosting pictures.  There is an updated instruction on the 2nd page, along with some instruction for resizing pics with windows.

https://www.tuberadioforum.com/t4163-hosting-then-posting-pictures-updated-3-27-16
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:08 pm

The vertical stripes down the front may be reproduced with a magic marker if you don't want to take the time to tape that area off and paint it. Those stripes are inlaid veneer that is painted black at the factory. Practice in an inconspicuous area to get the technique down before you do the strips on the front. The black areas around the cabinet and on the bottom are likely black painted from the factory. I like polyurethane finish myself, but the "correct police" will give you the dickens if you admit you used poly. Lacquer is easy and forgiving, poly is somewhat harder to use, but more durable. Both finishes should be rubbed out with sandpaper or rottenstone. You could even try a shellac-based finish. Or you could use shellac as an undercoat and sealer then put poly on top of that. There are lots of options.

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Post by pbc64 on Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:55 pm

Thank you for the tips my cabinet was so bad I looked for one and no luck cabinet fell apart it took a bottle and half of wood glue to put it back together I will post pictures soon
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Post by pbc64 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:11 pm

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I lost my pictures before I restored this cabinet it was so bad I was going to throw it out every piece of veneer had separated
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Post by 75X11 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:35 pm

Looks mighty nice so far!
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Post by Wildcat445 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:50 pm

cheers

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Post by pbc64 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:49 am

I found my lost photos philco 84b _mg_0213
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Post by 75X11 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:00 am

That is amazing!  I would've said it was trashed also.  Never lose those pictures, a person would never imagine you started with that.
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Post by pbc64 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:14 am

Thank you two bottles of wood glue and a lot of time its not perfect but it looks a lot better now I did not get a chance to take a photo of the front three sheets of veneer and the hardboard fell apart the 1934 glue was gone the base floor consisted of 4 pieces everything was glued and clamped had two make the rear arch support and one side support
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:39 pm

Bringing cabinets like those back from the dead separate the men from the boys. Very Happy

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Post by Bill Cahill on Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:22 pm

That looks great. Now, will it play? Very nice job on the case.

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Post by pbc64 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:37 pm

Thank you I have started on the chassis I am changing caps now may need some help soon
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:08 pm

I have several Philco radios of that vintage. I actually prefer Philco to Zenith in that era, but I am firmly in the minority there. I would recommend that you check the IF transformers and the various coils in that chassis before you really do anything else. My experience with Philco is that it will either work well from the second you fire it up after a good tune up, or it will never work satisfactorily. Philco radios have robust power supplies and do not suffer from the typical maladies found in Zenith radios of that period. I would restuff the bakelite capacitor blocks and not even check whether they are good or not. You can bet they are not. The filter caps are typically salty in Philco, so I would sure not plug the thing in until you change all the caps in the power supply at least. Good luck.

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