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Post by Wildcat445 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:40 pm

I actually worked on TWO Fords when I had my restoration shop.  A '41 Deluxe coupe and this '66 Mustang.  It belongs to a friend of mine.  It is powered by the optional, "big block" 200 cid 6 cylinder and a C-4 Cruise-O-Matic.  It has "Armstrong" steering and manual drum brakes with factory air conditioning.  It is shown at the cruise-in following the Barrett-Jackson auction in Scottsdale, AZ this past January.  It runs like a top and gets pretty good gas mileage, even with the AC on.  

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:16 pm

Those Ford 200CID 6 's where a great motor. I had 2 Falcons, ('68 & '70) both with the 200 and C4 Both performed well and were mechanically almost identical to the 6 cylinder Mustang, just not as sexy! The big difference when it comes to the Mustang and Falcon is not between each other but between their there own models of 6 or 8 cylinder. The eight's had a heavier suspension with 5 lug wheels and the 6's had 4 lug wheels. That changed in 1969 on the Mustang, I had a 1969 Mustang with the 250 CID 6 cylinder engine and it had the 5 lug wheels.

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Post by Wildcat445 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:52 pm

The front suspension on this Mustang is scary. It is so light and spindly looking that you wonder if you are going to make it home with the wheels still on. This one has four lug wheels. It is a cute little thing. If you put the 860-pound engine out of my Buick in that Mustang, the front bumper would hit the ground. Ford put 390's and 428's in Mustangs in later years. I always wondered how they held the bumper off the ground with those heavy engines in a Mustang. The body on that red '66 is so straight, and the paint so smooth and shiny that it looks un-natural. They were wavy and had orange-peeled paint when they were new.

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:10 pm

They were wavy and had orange-peeled paint when they were new.

They sure did! The materials we have today are amazing. I wish we could still build a car like the 1957 Ford Fairlane 2DRHT (no smog controls or 5MPH bumbers) with today materials. What a car that would be, 300K miles later and still running with no rust!

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Post by 75X11 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:15 pm

Beautiful car. I had a grade school teacher that got a new 66 Mustang and I got to ride in it one day to the school picnic. He had all the options he could fit into that little cabin and I remember the sound it made going across any bump on the dirt road. He said it was the reverb tank, and I wondered what that could be, and why one would want something that sounded like an old Seth Thomas clock being thrown to the ground. It had to be cool though, if it were in that little unit!
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Post by 35Z5 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:48 pm

Wildcat445 wrote:I actually worked on TWO Fords when I had my restoration shop.  A '41 Deluxe coupe and this '66 Mustang.  It belongs to a friend of mine.  It is powered by the optional, "big block" 200 cid 6 cylinder and a C-4 Cruise-O-Matic.  It has "Armstrong" steering and manual drum brakes with factory air conditioning.  It is shown at the cruise-in following the Barrett-Jackson auction in Scottsdale, AZ this past January.  It runs like a top and gets pretty good gas mileage, even with the AC on.  

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Nice car, but six in a row ain't my thing...
BTW the 200 was std 6cyl from '65 thru '70 models when the the 250 tall deck version of Ford's little six became std...

The '64˝ had the 170 as std engine(one of the like 17 differences between it and true '65)... Not absolutely sure but I'm 97% the 200 wasn't avail on those first models, unless it was, the 200 was never a optional engine for Mustang...

Sold a 200 out of my parts '71 Comet back in Nov... Those were optional in Mav/Comet over the 170 base engine, which was only avail with stick shift... If you wanted a auto box, the 200 was mandatory, at at least starting in '71... Fords one year, one model, only(Maverick) semi automatic was avail with the 170 in 1970...


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Post by Motorola man on Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:51 pm

Mustangs have always been deficient in the suspension / handling department. They're great so long as you only want to drive in a straight line. My wife had a '93 & it was the worst handling car that I've ever driven. A corner that I could take in my Honda at 55mph, would cause the tires of the Mustang to scream like a banshee at just 25mph. The old ponies sure do look good just before they hit the ditch though.
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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:55 pm

Mustangs have always been deficient in the suspension / handling department


True.....and it's because most of them were nothing more than a Falcon with different skin. But you can't deny the success Ford had with it!

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Post by 35Z5 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:58 pm

Motorola man wrote:Mustangs have always been deficient in the suspension / handling department.  They're great so long as you only want to drive in a straight line.  My wife had a '93 & it was the worst handling car that I've ever driven.  A corner that I could take in my Honda at 55mph, would cause the tires of the Mustang to scream like a banshee at just 25mph.  The old ponies sure do look good just before they hit the ditch though.

Something was wrong with it then, the Fox chassis cars are extremely good handlers... Just not a skateboard like the Honda...

Fox Chassis include the 1983-88 T-Bird Turbo Coupes and the 1984-'92 LSC Lincolns as well as probably 8-10 other models..

Now the early Stangs, yes those were somewhat deficient in the suspension dept...
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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:02 pm

The 200 was preceded by the 170 which was preceded by the 144. In 1965 the 200 was upgraded to 7 main bearings and used as the base engine for the Mustang. The 1964 1/2 Mustang was a marketing gimmick and the cars were registered as 1965's. Those early Mustangs (1964 1/2) were different though. One way to tell; the '64 1/2 had a generator and the '65 had an alternator.

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Post by 75X11 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:07 pm

My '94 handles quite well.
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Post by 35Z5 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:54 pm

MEZLAW wrote:The 200 was preceded by the 170 which was preceded by the 144.  In 1965 the 200 was upgraded to 7 main bearings and used as the base engine for the Mustang.  The 1964 1/2 Mustang was a marketing gimmick and the cars  were registered as 1965's.  Those early Mustangs (1964 1/2) were different though.  One way to tell; the '64 1/2 had a generator and the '65 had an alternator.

How do you figure the first Mustangs were a marketing gimmick?? Ford sold 121,538 in the April to August 1964 period the early 1965 models were produced(originally ford was hoping to sell 100,000 for the full model year)... People were waiting something like a month to six weeks to get one, think the public would have cared if it were marketed as a '64 vs '65??

True there are several differences and that's mostly because Ford made several changes to their other car lines for '65, so many were like the Ford alternator that became std were incorporated (prior alternators were optional and were built by a outside source)... The 260 was dropped for all lines in '65 while the 289 went to a six bolt bellhousing for '65 from five, compression was raised on both 2bbl & 4bbl versions, this was across the board on all models not just Mustang...  

The 64˝ moniker was coined by the enthusiast/aftermarket group to differentiate early from late , as far as Ford was concerned they are all 1965 models...

BTW Betchya didn't know Maverick was introduced April 17, 1969, five years to the day from Mustangs introduction & yeah the enthusiasts call the early ones 1969˝ models... Not as many differences as on early/late Stangs, biggest is early models had ignition in dash while true '70 models have a locking steering column... Suspension was upgraded slightly on all Ford intermediates & Mustang for '70, these were also used in the later 1970 Mavericks, though not at same time of ignition switch change over...
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Post by Wildcat445 on Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:22 pm

This little '66 Mustang convertible was special ordered with "the big 6", automatic and air conditioning. The owner did not want "stuff to go the matter", like power steering and power brakes. My understanding was that the 170 was standard in Falcon and Mustang until '68, but you Ford guys know more about that than I do. All I know is that the original owner told me proudly that he paid extra for the "big six." That little 200 is the seven main bearing version, and is tough as an anvil.

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:28 pm

People were waiting something like a month to six weeks to get one, think the public would have cared if it were marketed as a '64 vs '65??

You just proved my point about the advertized 64 1/2 being a marketing gimmick.  Mad magazine even made fun of it back then.

as Ford was concerned they are all 1965 models...
Didn't I refer to that, as they were all registered and titled 1965!!!!!!



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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:35 pm

The 1963 mid-year Galaxie fastback was also called a 1963 1/2 only this time it was 6 months after. The use of 1/2 started with Lee Iacocca!

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:38 pm

All I know is that the original owner told me proudly that he paid extra for the "big six."

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Post by 35Z5 on Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:10 am

MEZLAW wrote: All I know is that the original owner told me proudly that he paid extra for the "big six."

Your right WC


Well if you guys really want to learn the engine options available for Mustang and for for what years, check this out... By the true 1965 and 1966, 200 was the base engine and the 289 V8s were optional... No 170 in sight...

Otherwise keep telling everyone the wrong info...

http://classicmustang.com/1964_mustang_information.php

http://classicmustang.com/1965_mustang_information.php

http://classicmustang.com/1966_mustang_information.php

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:15 am

We can all point to websites on the internet but that doesn't make them right.  I can show plenty of proof for the engine but I will not continue this ridiculous pissing contest.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FUN AND RELAXING PLACE FOR ALL TO ENJOY!!!!!!!
So lets get back to enjoying the photos that a good member has posted for us to enjoy.

No one here really cares about your level of knowledge or mine on these matters. People come to this board to get away from this kind of arguing....so it stops right now!!!!!!!!!




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Post by 75X11 on Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:47 pm

I thought maybe an interview with the old man would be of interest here...

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140412/OEM02/304149996?template=mobile
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:25 pm

Great post 75! Very Happy

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Post by Wildcat445 on Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:44 pm

Same, here. Thanks, 75.

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Post by tuberadiogeek on Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:12 pm

I don't know much about Mustangs in general, but I do know a bit about Fords inline 6 cylinders. Every one I've known of, mostly the 300 CID ones were all built like a tank and were practically unstoppable. Even the smaller ones were great engines. Which is exactly why the next vehicle I get is going to be something with the 200, 300 or similar engines in it. I never knew there were more than just a 200 and 300 CID versions of their inline 6 since I've only seen those two personally.
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Post by 75X11 on Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:35 pm

If such a truck or even Bronco I6 came along when I was hunting a truck, I would've been happy with it.
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:52 pm

I have had a couple of 300 inline six engines and everyone was great. They were both in 1977 F-150 trucks so the were carbureted and without any pollution pumps or catalytic converters. Both of these trucks also had the 3 speed column shift which made for a nice combination. My friend had a 1969 F100 short bed with the 240 six. The 240 was the fore runner to the 300 and was also used in full size Ford cars.

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Post by 75X11 on Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:58 pm

In 1981 the firm I worked for operated Broncos with I6's and dual fuel capability. We would usually run propane on the 150 mile interstate run then gas onto the desert. They ran quite well fueled either way.
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