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Post by 75X11 on Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:10 pm

I thought since it was a British program I would use their terminology. Very Happy   By the way, Rowan Atkinson, who played Mr. Bean, is a electrical engineer.

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:11 pm

Well, Jerry, not much to update, really. The wife does not like the blue color I like. I am too cheap to spring for leather interior, which the frau wants. I want silver wheels, she likes black. Too many choices. You can do anything with one of those little heaps. Lots of dealer add-ons. We are dealing with a pretty good salesman, but we have to realize that he is not our friend. His job is to make the cash register jingle. I am having trouble with the purchase of a non-GM car. We will buy a Mini Cooper if we buy anything. We actually looked at a Honda Fit, but it is too "Honda-ish" for me. Cheap plastic and it just screams "Cheap." We looked at a Prius, but all that battery stuff and shutting down at traffic lights is unnerving. We have a paid for golf cart, no use spending money for another one. KIA Soul is out. We looked at Scion Xb and Xd. Those things are various versions of Toyota, so they are out. Chevy Spark is a cheap little turd. Volkswagen is out due to service considerations. We just need to decide which flavor of Mini suits us best. There is nothing like it, and I wanted one of these for ever. It's Mini or bust. Bust is not out of the question, at this point. I drive my cars to the junk yard for a reason. I dislike the process of buying cars. I feel like burning my clothes when I get home from a car dealership.

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Post by willy3486 on Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:34 am

If you and the frau wants different things on the car you need to look for one of these. It would have different parts,wheels and paint.

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Post by 75X11 on Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:36 am

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Post by Wildcat445 on Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:00 pm

We are getting closer. The frau and I have agreed on white. With the cheap standard wheels. I am going to find a set of wires for it, with knock-off spinners. The Mini was originally a British car, and a British car HAS to have wires, don't you reckon? I understand that American Racing makes wire wheels for a Mini, and they are cheaper than any optional factory wheels. They want $1650 for upgraded factory wheels, plus the tires. I should be able to get both wire wheels and tires for that money in the aftermarket. I don't care about run-flat tires anyway. I guess they would come in handy if you got into a police chase and they threw the stop sticks out, huh? Anyways, a nice set of wires and 16" tires is what I have in mind. I am not interested in those little skinny tires. I want nice fat tires that ride well. My butt is not 30 anymore, you know.

We are in negotiations with the dealership as we speak. I have made an offer, they countered, and so it goes. Like getting a divorce.

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Post by Wildcat445 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:30 pm

This project has hit a snag.  I had a friend email me, advising me that I needed to stock up on "Mini fluids", since he had used some non-Mini fluids in his Mini and had been charged what I thought was an awful price to remove the "non-Mini" fluid and install the proper stuff.  So I asked the salesman what the current skinny was on "Mini-fluids."  He assured me that I could use Mobil 1 if I wished, as long as I used synthetic oil it should be fine.  He called back later and advised me that he had "mis-spoken" and that I could NOT use Mobil 1.  I had to use only "Mini-fluids", installed and serviced my the Mini dealer, or my warranty "could be" void.  The oil change interval is 10,000 miles or when the oil life indicator says it needs changed, with no time limit.  My thinking is that with a little 91 cubic inch turbocharged engine, operating in AZ heat, this is too long an interval.  The factory offers free maintenance for 3 years or 36,000 miles at no extra cost.  This is not an optional, feel-good, customer service oriented plan.  It is MANDATORY.  They will not allow me to change the oil more often, at my expense, without "maybe" taking a chance that "someone" will decide that the warranty is now void.  There is no oil dipstick that will allow me to monitor oil condition visually.  I have to rely on electronics to do that for me.  Now I have to become prey for possibly predatory dealership practices of overcharging and upselling.  Those guys want $250 for a "routine service" which is basically changing the oil, seeing what they can sell me, then washing and vacuuming my car.  This sounds like total BS to me.  I asked for a copy of the owner's manual.  You do not get one until you own the car.  This may be a terminal deal breaker.  I feel like if I spend my money for a car, I should have some say on how often I service it.  I don't know how to respond to this latest hitch.  I have been looking online for some information on this, but so far I haven't found much.  The bloom is off the rose as far as "German engineering" is concerned to my way of thinking.

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Post by jerryhawthorne on Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:20 pm

WC, if your going to lease for three years as indicated in your first post, it would seem that all service is free for this duration, no? Yes, even VW is picky about the oil used at least for the diesel and the transmission fluid (changed at 40K) is gold and only available from them. That will be one expensive pit stop as free stops at 30K (three oil changes).
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Post by 75X11 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:39 pm

It's good you are finding out about this before you sign on.
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Post by Wildcat445 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:52 pm

Jerry, you are saying that this "specific fluids only" policy is normal with German cars?  Why should I agree to strong arm tactics like that?  I've never heard of such a ridiculous policy in my life. What if I want to change the oil in my driveway?  If I own the car, I'm not able to do that?  GM could care less how often you change your oil, how, or where.  Just as long as you do it.  Unbelievable.  My initial intention was to lease.  But I might just LOVE this little heap, and want to buy out the lease.  The engine will be junk in 40 grand, driven in AZ  heat, with oil changes every 10K.  No way will I go for a deal like that.  Yeah, 75, it is good I learned of this before I spent any money.  I owe a certain friend more than I realized when he shared this little tidbit with me.   Shocked

Jerry, does your VW have an engine oil dipstick? Is that silly no dipstick situation a BMW only deal? I've been a mechanic for too long for that to sit well with me. My old Pontiac does not have a transmission dipstick, but I understand how that works. It is okay until you get a leak.

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Post by jerryhawthorne on Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:22 pm

Actually there are people that sell the transmission fluid and filter in a kit for the do it yourselfers.  The fluid and filter are VW and about $130.  Also needed is a fill kit as the transmission is filled from the drain with a special devise that provides a precise level of fill for the DSG transmission.  The oil is a Mobile 1 product from what I understand.  Neither oil or transmission fluids look to be something to do on your driveway.  At least not me!
As for the dip stick WC, I had to go look!  Yep it has a dipstick for the oil, not certain for the transmission but I would guess not seeings how they set the level from below when filling and unless leaking should be OK.
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Post by 75X11 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:26 pm

I would imagine it would be for the benefit of the picky folks who will buy your leased vehicle.
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Post by jerryhawthorne on Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:48 pm

WC, here is an alternate shop for Mini work not too far from you.
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Post by Wildcat445 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:22 pm

I called another dealer who told me that, at least while the car is under warranty, it would be "best" to use genuine Mini Cooper oil at like $100 a case and a Mini oil filter which is like $14.  After market filters are about $7, so that is not that bad.  I could have the oil changed elsewhere, more frequently, at my expense, and document the genuine parts being used.  Still.  What a process.  I still do not have an answer on how often they change transmission fluid.  The first dealer says "lifetime", whatever that means.  The second dealer told me that they had never had anybody ask before.  Huh?  It is an Aisin transmission, and I have a call in to a transmission shop I used to do business with.  I feel like an idiot.  I have worked on cars all my life, and had no idea that restrictions like this existed.  Thanks for that link, Jerry.  I'll see if I can contact them.  Maybe they can answer questions I should have asked a month ago.

The deal I was working on is dead.  I don't trust that dealership anymore, after this.  I'm going to satisfy myself that I have my questions answered and that I am in control of the situation before I get into another deal for a new Mini.  

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Post by 75X11 on Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:09 pm

Sorry it didn't work out. You'll find one soon.
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Post by Wildcat445 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:15 am

I'm gonna back off and get my ducks in a row. I worried about the money part and had that well in hand. I never saw maintenance being an issue. BMW apparently does not want "unqualified personnel" messing with their vehicles and running up their warranty costs. They put the monkey on their customers' backs. I need to find a way past dealership service, except for warranty work. I fully intend my new Mini to never see the dealership after I take delivery. I will get the service situation figured out, a plan developed, then get back on purchase. I will walk into the next dealership armed with the information I need to make an intelligent decision. I would still like to lease, but that may not be the best decision for the long term. Thank you all for your participation and input.

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Post by 35Z5 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:47 am

Well I'm gonna say they are trying to bend you over and not use any lube... As long as a oil meets their requirements I don't think they can refuse warranty over another brand or if it';s changed more often... If you really want to learn about oils hang out on Bob is the oil guy site and you'll learn more than you ever thought was possible(I usta but most are too anal for me)

Here's the PDS for Mobil 1 0W-40, says it meets a BMW requirement but I have no idea if that for a mini(sure glad I'm happy with my old Fords)

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx

I know it doesn't meet the VW 507 diesel requirement...
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Post by Wildcat445 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:42 pm

Yeah, Tom, I know what you mean about your old Fords. With $2 gas, my 454 is going to get more exercise this summer for certain.

I am researching what I should have known already. When I get my facts straight from fiction and dealer hype, I will be ready and comfortable to make a better decision.

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