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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:01 pm

I found this on ebay.  It may not be THE one, but something close in both vintage and style.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Zenith-swivel-base-color-TV-/291272514034?hash=item43d131d9f2

I have been considering buying and restoring a color TV from the early to mid-1960's.  I want something "authentic" to watch METV on and something that will go well with my Magnavox stereo collection.  I would actually prefer a TV-only instrument, but might consider a Magnavox TV-radio-stereo combination.  Magnavox TV sets are big on audio, but are not very good TV sets.  You rarely see one, and NEVER hear of a collector owning or wanting one.  RCA is what my family has always had, but my grandparents has a "New Vista" model from the 1960's that was a huge pile of crap, and actually got on fire.  I have heard other negative comments about RCA, so that brand is not on the top of the list.  I don't want something with a cheap looking cabinet, so that puts Zenith up for consideration.  I do not want a "roundie", since I think they are too "old" looking to suit the frau.  I want a rectangular tube.  I am not interested in collectability, snob appeal or any of that.  I just want a recommendation on a set that was dependable "back in the day" fairly easy to service, since I will be working on it, and it has to have a nicely styled cabinet that will go well with my stereo collection.  Zenith made some twin speaker sets with rather formal cabinetry.  Does anybody have a recommendation on such a set they would care to offer? It has to have an all tube chassis. Thanks.

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:11 pm

This is a monochrome RCA "New Vista", but I like the cabinet. And the price.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/atq/4727735969.html

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:13 pm

I did not know that Midwest made a TV. What a monster.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/atq/4680757929.html

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:38 pm

This one is closer to what I had in mind.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-1967-zenith-color-tv-/141446782441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20eee29de9

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Post by 75X11 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:10 pm

A rectangular color set will probably be a post '65 set as the means of containing the higher vacuum of a large color CRT was not developed til then.  I'd reckon you are going to have to conduct a patient search like your Mag quest to find one suitable for restoration and use.
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:53 pm

Your comments are in line with my thinking. Unfortunately, at least as far as Magnavox is concerned, if I got a combination instrument, it would have an Astro-sonic solid state radio and stereo amplifier, and I do not want that. An all-tube instrument would likely be a roundie in color and rectangular in monochrome. I found a monochrome, but I want to hold out for color. I then figured my best bet was a stand-alone TV in a nice cabinet. That brings Zenith to the fore. I would consider a Magnavox, I guess, since it is basically a Zenith clone. They were just not very good sets. This is based on what I have heard and read, not from personal experience. Thanks, 75.

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Post by 75X11 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:20 pm

I don't know who the manufacturer was for W.T.Grant in the early '70s but we had one that lasted and lasted and was finally handed to a newly married couple for their first place. It was branded with their Bradford mark. You could do a lot worse than Zenith. I had a hot idea that might get you with what you want. Leave your number with some thrift stores. Let them know you are looking for a good set and they could pass it on to a donator who could give you it's description. With the stores turning away crt material it might turn out good.
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Post by 35Z5 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:24 pm

Wildcat445 wrote: I would consider a Magnavox, I guess, since it is basically a Zenith clone.  They were just not very good sets.  This is based on what I have heard and read, not from personal experience.  Thanks, 75.

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I've never seen any set that was a Zenith clone, about everything in the mid '60s was RCA derived... Well that is except Motorola and you couldn't pay me to take one of those...

I dunno about the '70s Bradford mentioned but we had one mom bought iin late '68 that was a Westinghouse(she worked for Grants)... The Bradfords up '67 or so were Wells Gardener built RCA clones, Montgomery Ward, Penneys, Western Auto etc all sold the same sets... Sears were Warwick built, somewhat reconfigured but still RCA clone...

Around '67 RCA came out with the CTC 24 chassis, run don't walk away from one of those... CTC17, 21, & 25 are good mid/late '60s rectangular tube chassis...

Magnavox had their own ideas on the sweep circuits but the video and chroma were RCA...
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:53 pm

I read one time that due to its all-metal chassis, the Magnavox early color TV sets were largely a Zenith design. The early Zenith remote control system is reputed to be a clone (if not an actual copy) of Magnavox Phantom Control. This article I read referred to the sweep circuit and the flyback transformer being the Achilles heel in a Magnavox TV set. I think it is fair to say that Magnavox and Zenith collaborated on certain efforts and their quality and designs were many times similar. "The Quality Was Left Out, But They Slapped The Name On Anyway" may have been an appropriate moniker for Magnavox TV sets.

I have heard about the RCA CTC-series chassis. 10 and 16 are often mentioned as being good designs. I appreciate your input on the others. I have also heard that almost any Zenith color chassis is okay, right up to the solid state chassis. I bought an RCA XL-100 in 1971 and it still works to this day. It has a plastic power switch that has broken three times, and is currently wonky. I'll bet that thing will be a trick to find this time. But this set is all solid state and I want a tube one. Why, I have no idea. I could not wait to buy my first all SS TV set. That old RCA XL-100 has been worked on once, under warranty, as it was recalled for a faulty chroma board. This was done and I never had a problem, before or since.

Tom, what is your take on a Magnvox tube color TV set? Do you reckon one could be fixed if I found one with a good CRT, all things considered? Would they be as easy to service, relatively speaking, as an RCA or Zenith? And could RCA or Zenith components be pressed into service should the need arise? I am a total novice on servicing TV, so I can only get smarter. Was my grandparents experience with their flaming RCA "New Vista Color" an anomaly or was it common? And I thank you all.

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:17 pm

I finally found a picture of a Magnavox "Magnacolor" TV chassis.  It sure looks more like RCA than Zenith to me, as well.  It has a metal chassis with PCB "sub-chassis" all over the place.  
what little I thought I knew is bogus, so I will start over with the information you guys have provided.  I may take a harder look at Magnavox.  If one would work that would be great, given that I want the TV to compliment my Magnavox stereo collection.  

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:31 pm

Here is a big RCA. I like this cabinet style.

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/atq/4712520582.html

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:41 pm

Why could this one not have been color?

http://madison.craigslist.org/atq/4681785945.html

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Post by 35Z5 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:01 am

In the early days of color competition was fierce, I doubt Zenith collaborated with anyone... Their sets were nothing like RCA, all hand wired with no PCB, circuitry not like RCA either... All The tube Mag's I've see used PCBs, and mostly RCA's circuit configuration... Possibly Magnavox had a full clone RCA chassis(likely a roundie), I don't remember seeing one...


The CTC chassis you mentioned are roundies, in fact all before the 17 are... The CTC 15 was the most cloned set by far though at least Warwick built CTC 11 & 12 in addition to 15 before modifying a 15 into their own configuration... Those chassis were built from '65 to '70 with very little change except to add needed pincushion correction circuitry for rectangular versions...

Because I was so familiar with the RCA and Sears sets were the easiest for me to repair, one of those or a Zenith would be my choice... Dunno what happened to the New Vista set you mentioned, but the flybacks in most all tube sets were prone to burning, opened a few HV cages only to find ashes...

In trying to keep flesh tones constant, about all the mfgrs sets in the early '70s had poor color reproduction with zenith better than most... Generally green was limited, trees and grass looked like they were i the middle of a severe drought... Wasn't till the all solid state sets had been out a couple of years that color improved... Warwick used a circuit in their first SS sets refereed to as a 'Green Enhancer', our regional trainer called it the blue sucker(basically what it did)... I used to pull the transistor and just toss it, color was better without it...
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:05 am

Thanks, Tom. I appreciate the information. I see I have a long way to go.

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Post by 35Z5 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:10 am

Wildcat445 wrote:Why could this one not have been color?

http://madison.craigslist.org/atq/4681785945.html

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It's B&W, rectangular tube with rounded corners, no color set used that configuration tube... B&W sets didn't get sharply angled corners till around 1960/61...  

If it were color would be a CTC 4, not a set I'd want to use as a regular player...

That B&W tube is like this portable Admiral I have...

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Post by 75X11 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:45 am

And it's box! Impressive.
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:46 pm

'Scuse me, sonny, but I bought one quite like this NEW. Rolling Eyes

http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/atq/4672987465.html

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:57 pm

This is EXACTLY what I am looking for in terms of age and appearance.  This must be one of the latter RCA tube TV's built.  It appears to have the controls in a drawer under the tuning knob.  Very similar to my 1971 XL-100.  I really like this one, price be damned.  

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RCA-New-Vista-color-TV-BEAUTIFUL-unrestored-working-condition/291259639078?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D2a63ecf3822644e38f33edd37e249123%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D331173253365&rt=nc

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Post by 75X11 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:28 pm

It looks like some of the price will be going out to pick one up, unless a good one comes up locally.
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Post by 35Z5 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:27 pm

Unless you also want to replace the picture tube, staw away from that one... Has far too much green in the grey scale(notice no pict shows any white), likely the blue and maybe red guns in CRT are weak...
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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:38 pm

I was using that RCA as an example of what I wanted. That one works, at least. One of those ads mentions needing a convergence alignment, but I'm not sure if that is the one. I need to find one within a couple hundred miles of where I am, either on the left coast or in Middle America somewhere. Why is all the good stuff on the east coast?

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:43 pm

That is the second one from Stafford Springs Connecticut that use posted.  Must be the same person with a bunch of TV's.  

BTW that's near Hartford.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:49 pm

It is the same guy, here is a link to all his listings;

http://www.ebay.com/sch/walte_blis/m.html?item=291259639078&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562


He also has some Magnavox items.

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:02 pm

Here is the monochrome console I really like. Just too far away.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Magnavox-B-W-TV-Phono-Stereo-combo-danish-modern-look-/291272515228?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item43d131de9c

If that thing were in Tucson or Kansas City, I would be posting about my new find.

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Post by Wildcat445 on Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:42 pm

Okay, guys, check this out:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960s-Zenith-Space-Command-400-/291276581734?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item43d16feb66

What is a "balun?" I thought balin' was when it was hot, I was sweating, and we were putting up hay in little square blobs, tied with string, and putting them in the barn to feed the cows in the winter. Now "balun" applies to a TV, apparently. Good grief, I'm confused.

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