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Post by N7ZAL on Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:31 pm

I'm trying to shake the cobwebs from my mind about the old telegraphs. As a ham I have only worked Morse code, dots and dashes. However I remember the old western telegraph uses clicks, rather than dots and dashes. Does anyone know what the old telegraph code was or where I can find it? I've checked the web to no avail.
Thanks.
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Post by Ragwire on Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:55 pm

All I can find info on is the obsolete American Morse (vs. International Morse)...but both use dots and dashes.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:21 pm

In the movie, "Edison, the man", he uses morse code to woo a woman at  his new job.They eventually maried. He used the dot, and,dash method on the pipe. That's the only code I know about. I wouldn't take what westerns do too seriously, as this was done by producers who likely knew nothing about morse code.

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Post by N7ZAL on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:39 pm

I wouldn't take what westerns do too seriously, as this was done by producers who likely knew nothing about morse code.
Thanks guys and I'm writing a book and need to be accurate and am not interested in following existing "westerns." However I remember years ago that the original telegraph code was based on clicks, not dots and dashes. You can make dots and dashes with radio (CW) but with the telegraph I'm not sure you can?

Thanks for the input.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:45 pm

Actually, you can. Dashes, I believe, tend to be faster hit than the dots.  I know as kids we used to use a battery opreated solonoid to learn the international morse code on.

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Post by exray on Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:53 am

When listening to a relay using American Morse there are two sounds.  One when the relay closes and one when it releases.  On a 'dit' its very rapid and has a unique sound.  In the case of the 'dah' you only hear half a click - for lack of a better description - and the other half follows with some delay.
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Post by N7ZAL on Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:37 am

Thanks for the input. I think I understand now and the "code" shown is different than regular Morse code,..which is what I was thinking. The code shown is for the telegraph code used in the "click" format? Now to do some practice. Wink 
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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:09 am

Thanks, exray. I had forgotten that, and, never really got into morse code myself. Those were the words I couldn't find.

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Post by exray on Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:54 pm

Yes, what is shown is American Morse, aka Railroad Morse in some circles.  The "International Morse" that we now know and love Cool came some decades later.
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Post by N7ZAL on Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:18 pm

Thanks Exray, much appreciated. Years ago I could copy 60 wpm, but now I'm probably down to 35. So my brain is trained in CW and I'm still trying to get my head around the clicks and telegraph stuff. Confusing, but I now have enough knowledge to at least write about. Wink 
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Post by Dr. Radio on Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:21 pm

Here's a demo for ya....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zJJWp6LXQ&sns=em

I like that term..."Victorian Internet" Smile
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Post by N7ZAL on Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:39 pm

Thanks Dr. Radio, and an interesting video....takes you back in time.Wink 
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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:17 pm

Wow! Nasty looking stuff... I liked some of the other videos, as well.
Thanks......

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Post by Alan Douglas on Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:10 pm

1870's Morse Code Mesco_10

From the Manhattan Electrical Supply Co. Manual of Wireless Telegraphy, Number Nine (circa 1916).

Sure is a goofy way of inserting images here.  Why can't any two forums do it the same?

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Post by terrydec on Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:01 pm

It's my understanding, and I have a neat book, "History, Theory and practice of the Electric Telegraph", that the first telegraph system employed the magnetic deflection of a needle.  Then came a way to record the dots and dashes.  Soon the operators could interpret the message by simply listening to the clicks of the sounder.  That's why in old pictures, and sometimes on eBay, you can see a 'sound box' that some operators used to amplify the signal.
Usually they could tell by the 'hand' also called 'fist' who the operator was.

BTW- All of the accolades heaped on David Sarnoff for staying up all night relaying information about the Titanic were false.  The store wasn't even open and he had no access to the equipment. Sarnoff was great at self promotion.  The only person who ever beat him is one of my favorite people Philo T. Farnsworth
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Post by N7ZAL on Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:46 pm

Thanks Alan. Your chart is different that the one exray posted, for instance the letter "c." Now I' confused again to what was actually used in 1870.

Thanks Terry, and I do remember the concept of the needle deflection but just don't know what time period it was used. More research I guess. I can see "reading" the operator's fist because I can do the same with hand sent CW, even sometimes with a bug.
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Post by Alan Douglas on Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:12 pm

The Morse code is the same in Maver's 1892 book (the Continental also). I could probably find it in earlier books but I'm sure it didn't change.

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Post by N7ZAL on Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:43 pm

Alan, your saying that the CW code used today is the same as the telegraph codes in the 1870's??
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Post by Resistance is Futile on Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:20 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_telegraph
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Post by atwater10 on Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:05 pm

An old friend of mine (Grant Storey W6NTK) who's passed on a few years back used to do the " American Morse, aka Railroad Morse " code with others in the Railroad community.

I sat in and listened in a few times and he had an old "Prince Albert Tin" positioned near his relay (clicker) and he used to say he could read the tone it made while he copied the code .... Interesting, I still couldn't pick much out Cool
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Post by terrydec on Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:50 pm

I was good enough to pass my Ham exam, but that was nothing compared to decoding sensitive, (eyes only), transmissions at Fort Devens while attached to the ASA.
Now THAT was exciting.
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Post by N7ZAL on Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:05 pm

Interesting link, Cliff. Thanks.
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Post by Alan Douglas on Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:06 pm

Alan, your saying that the CW code used today is the same as the telegraph codes in the 1870's?
No, it's the old "continental" code. The confusion arises from people calling present-day code "Morse code." It's not. Morse was only used on telegraph lines.

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Post by N7ZAL on Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:40 pm

Thanks Alan, and now I'm clear. Wink 
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Post by terrydec on Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:14 pm

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