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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:59 pm

I apparently forgot to post here, so, I'm going to copy some of the thread at another forum to here, so you can get some sense of what's going on.
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Hi, guys. I've had this baby for quite a number of years, and, am restoring it, it's an interesting machine.
It was a junker inthe beginning, and, I have been bringing it back to life. At this point, it's playing records...........










I don't really have the time to go into it all here, so, if anyone is interested, please go to my forums, and, see the post. I have also got a number of other interesting posts there that I haven't seen in quite awhile here. You might want to see them. Sorry, guys, too much toing on to do much posting here. Thought you just might be interested in seeing.....
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:01 pm

The problem is I need a complete good one. I know this is the wrong arm. It's all I could find.
If you have a complete good original one with a good base, it would be highly appreciated.
My base also is dammaged. I would need a good base with the tonearm.
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:03 pm

Vitanola wrote:
The early machines, those made before 1927, used an arm with no overhang support, and no pot-metal. I have saved some of those. These early arms are a more exact fit, and they are the correct length to preserve proper needle-point alignment, though they are not identical to the machines with the pot-metal overhang support. These early arms also match the shape of the horn better than the skinny arm from the Credenza, and the reproduction that they afford is quite fine.

I am away from home, caring for my parents. Send me your address in a PM and I will mail a one arm off to you the next time that I visit my house.


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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:05 pm

Great! Thanks! I'll do that right away!
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:07 pm

Larry Hillis said:
Bill, it appears to have some mildew on one side, and maybe the top, of the cabinet.


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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:08 pm

Nope. There was some mildew on one side, alot of dirt, and, the top is loaded with scratches, and, paint.
I will refinnish that, and, in my thread, show results.
I have alot of hope for this machine, and, appreciate Vitanola's offer, and, have thanked him muchly for the help.
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:10 pm

Vitanola, I thought I had pm's from you, but, when I just looked, they were gone.
In case you didn't hear from me, I am interested, and, look forward to the arm. Just wondering, I have a table model missing arm, reproducer, and, auto brake. Do you have extra parts you could trade? It's one of the last cheapie table top Othophonics. Tone arm on this one is mounted on the front, right hand corner.
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:12 pm

Vitanola wrote:
Bill Cahill wrote:
Vitanola, I thought I had pm's from you, but, when I just looked, they were gone.
In case you didn't hear from me, I am interested, and, look forward to the arm. Just wondering, I have a table model missing arm, reproducer, and, auto brake. Do you have extra parts you could trade? It's one of the last cheapie table top Othophonics. Tone arm on this one is mounted on the front, right hand corner.
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The 1-70?

I may have one. I am currently in Cleveland OH caring for my elderly parents. I'll pick up the tone arm that I promised you and will check on whether I still have a VV-1-70 arm the next time that I go back nome, if that is what you need. As I recall, the 1-70 did not use an automatic brake, though its larger brother the 1-90 was so equipped.




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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:16 pm

Hmmm. I think it is the 1-70. Anybody got a picture of one? It's a small table model with a lid, but, no doors. Walnut case. It would be greatly appreciated. That way, I can save both of them.
I greatly appreciate your help.
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:19 pm

Vitanola wrote:
Bill Cahill wrote:
Hmmm. I think it is the 1-70. Anybody got a picture of one? It's a small table model with a lid, but, no doors. Walnut case. It would be greatly appreciated. That way, I can save both of them.
I greatly appreciate your help.
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This is a photo of the Victrola 1-70:




Whilst it was built in the Orthophonic period, and had a long horn which was folded around the inside of the cabinet, it was not really an Orthophonic model, although it did play electric records quite well. It, along with the 1-6 and 2-60 portables were the only American Victor machines which adhered to the lines of the 1926-27 European product lines.

When I was at home yesterday I found a tone arm for one of these machines which had a good overhang support. It is dirty, very dirty, but has good nickle under the grime. The tone arm is missing the little clip which shpports the reproducer when it is at rest, but I have a gilt tone arm from a 2-60 portable which you may have which does have the clip. I think that if the clip were painted with one of the high-reflectivity "chrome" paints it would look all right on the 1-70 arm, as it is not really in direct view, being on the bottom of the arm. I have that arm here with me, but unfortunately I left your 4-3 arm sitting in a bag on the hall table back in MI. I'll pick it up on my next trip home, which will be in six or seven days, I think.

Sorry for the delay, OM!




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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:20 pm

I'll have to dig into my machine, which presently is stacked high with other items, and, I am going to have an interesting time getting to it.
Front looks right, but, mine came with a broken pot metal Orthoph9nic reproducer.
On console, just wait until you have the arm. I'ts waited his long. It will wait another week.
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:22 pm

O.K. I must make a slight, major change here...........
This morning, i looked up my Victor book, and, said, gee, I'm not sure that squat thing is mine. I turned the page, and, OOOOPPSSSSSS!
I went into the other room to confirm it.
Mine is not the One Seventy. It's the One Ninety.
It says it was the cheapest Orthophonic made. Larger case.
Says nickel plated hardware.

While I'm at it, do you have any original Nickel plated wood screws with the french washers. Mine is missing most of them.
Thanks.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:23 pm

Anything new????
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:24 pm

Vitanola wrote:
No. Stuck in Cleveland, shuttling 'em from one doctor to another. Since neither believes that they need help I can't bring in an outside caregiver.

I'll check when I next get back to MI. Now as for your 1-90, almost all of them have gunmetal rather than nickle furniture (metalwork). What is the color of your brake and your turntable rim?


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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:25 pm

The crank looks dark, as does turntable, but, turntable is also rusty.
Brake is gone. Nothing left of that.
What's left of tone arm, and, some hardware are nickel plated. So, anybody's guess. I'll get back in there sometime this week, and, look more carefully.
It doesn't appear that it had auto shut off, though.
Original repeoducer, which is falling apart, is nickel.
I'll have to eye ball it more carefully. The parts on console were dark, also. But, I found out it was extreme corosion. Not much rust, but, alot of corosion.
On console, I have now cleanned the crank, escuitcheon, turntable, brake, motor board pull knob, and, door knobs. They are back to nickel, except crank, which is mostly down to steel.
Now, mind you, that's the console. Do you have a good set of 4 original motor board wood screws with french washers? Mine are gone, except fo one, which is rusty.

By the way, I can't find that model in my victor book. Why not? What moedl is it??
Was it that un popular??
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:28 pm

Vitanola wrote:
Bill Cahill wrote:
The crank looks dark, as does turntable, but, turntable is also rusty.
Brake is gone. Nothing left of that.
What's left of tone arm, and, some hardware are nickel plated. So, anybody's guess. I'll get back in there sometime this week, and, look more carefully.
It doesn't appear that it had auto shut off, though.
Original repeoducer, which is falling apart, is nickel.
I'll have to eye ball it more carefully. The parts on console were dark, also. But, I found out it was extreme corosion. Not much rust, but, alot of corosion.
On console, I have now cleanned the crank, escuitcheon, turntable, brake, motor board pull knob, and, door knobs. They are back to nickel, except crank, which is mostly down to steel.
Now, mind you, that's the console. Do you have a good set of 4 original motor board wood screws with french washers? Mine are gone, except fo one, which is rusty.

By the way, I can't find that model in my victor book. Why not? What moedl is it??
Was it that un popular??
Bill Cahill



Which, the 1-90 or your 4-3(Consolette)? Among the errors in earlier editions of Look for the Dog was the entire omission of the square-legged 4-3. Although the omission was brought to the author's attention when the book was in its galley stages he did not appear to be particularly concerned with this lesser model. The late 4-3 production figures show that about 140,000 of the squared legged machine were produced.


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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:29 pm

The 1-90 is the one I was referring to on the hardware.
No brake, etc.....
So, how much did the 4-3 sell for? Is that the model of the console I have? He wasn't concerned? How accurate can that be? Sorry I bought that book....
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I'll trade you for a good Credenza..........................


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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:32 pm

Vitanola wrote:
Bill Cahill wrote:
The 1-90 is the one I was referring to on the hardware.
No brake, etc.....
So, how much did the 4-3 sell for? Is that the model of the console I have? He wasn't concerned? How accurate can that be? Sorry I bought that book....
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I'll trade you for a good Credenza..........................



You have to remember that the first edition of this book was published in 1980. There was not a great deal of interest in
the cheap late machines. Mr. Baumbach has corrected this error in the most recent additions, and has gone into great detail indeed in his "The Victor Data Book", which attempts to cover all running changes to all of the pre-1929 Victor models.

We cannot overemphasize the good that the mere existence of "Look for the Dog" has done for the hobby despite an occasional blind spot on the part of the author.

The earliest examples of the 4-3 were labeled "Consolette". They had round legs, and no grille or grille cloth over a finished wooden horn. These early machines were fitted with a 10" turntable, a single-spring motor. About 10,000 of these early machines were shipped, in the brief period between Victor Day (Nov. 4, 1925) and the end of the year. The initial sales price of this machine was $85.00.

In January of 1926 the machine was improved, fitted with a grille and grille cloth screen over the open mouth of the horn , and fitted with a two-spring motor and a 12" turntable. The list price was increased at this time to $95.00. IN the autumn of 1926 an automatic brake was added to the machine at no additional charge.

IN early 1927 the cabinet was redesigned to the modern square-legged style. About 91,000 of the early style machiens were shipped and just over 140,000 of the later style. The later machine was particularly popular in Japan and in some parts of South America. The Japan Victor Company began producing this model in late 1928, and it was available until at least the mid-1930's over in the Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

The Consolette is a very good machine. A bit deficient in bass response when compared with the Credenza but it has a clear and forward middle and upper register which is in many ways superior to the larger machine, particular when playing vocal recordings and older acoustically recorded discs.



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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:33 pm

Thank you. INformation appreciated.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:40 pm

Please pm, or, post here from now on, as I am getting ready to close my ARF account.
Thank you, Vitanola, for your help.
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Re: Victor Victrola Orthophonic

Post by Bill Cahill on Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:08 am

I got a message yesterday from our friend Vitanola that I can expect a small package on Friday. Thank you! I anxiously look forward to it.
Then, I can continue my restoration...........
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