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Post by BarbS on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:39 pm

This is supposed to be an HMV. The reproducer just lays on the record. Is something missing? I know there's lots of issues with it. You can see the elbow on the horn is not quite right. Is this a fake? http://photobucket.com/HMVPhonograph
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Post by simplex1040 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:09 pm

What do you mean by "just lays on the record"?
It is hard to tell by the pictures what you are describing.
Most reporducers (sound box) sit with the needle full weight on the record.
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Post by BarbS on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:13 pm

I don't have a needle in it and it just lays heavy where the record goes. It won't turn with the reproducer on it.
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Post by simplex1040 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:16 pm

you should be able to rotate the reproducer up off the playing area so that you can change needles etc,

the end portion there is a swivel section
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Post by BarbS on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:18 pm

I can change needles but it just sits heavily. The record won't turn, it's so heavy on it.

Is something missing?
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Post by Resistance is Futile on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:20 pm

I noticed that the speaker horn is not soldered in the neck in one large area. I will see on the web if I can whats what.
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Post by simplex1040 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:22 pm

You should also be able to swing the arm off to the right side of the platter.
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Post by BarbS on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:24 pm

Yes, I can move it. It just seems like it should be higher or have some tension or something.
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Post by simplex1040 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:26 pm

While this is not an HVM it shows reproducer sitting on a record with needle




close up


reproducer swiveled up


My tone arm swings to the back of the platter out of the way to chnage records. It appears that your reproducer should swivel farther up and stay in a rotated up postion ( what I can kind of tell from the picture.
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Post by simplex1040 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:28 pm

It will have the full weight of the reproducer on the record.
Now if you are testing the motor you need to move it out of the way and off if you set the reproducer down on the platter with no needle and record it will stop.
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Post by Tony V on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:37 pm

To answer your other question, yes its a fake or reproduction. It doesnt look like any parts are missing. It appears that you have a one spring motor which may be too weak to turn the turntable once the reproducer is placed on the record.
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Post by BarbS on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:44 pm

I got it to work. But the elbow for the horn isn't connected. So sad and frustrated it's a fake. Sad

I was afraid of that. Some parts seem real. I got it on ebay and compared the pics to some that I dknew were real. Looked questionable but good enough that in desperation to find one-seemed ok. $350 Ba Bye.

I at least want to get it to work properly. It plays now, just the horn I guess. So sad.
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Post by Resistance is Futile on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:50 pm

http://wd4eui.com/Antique_Phonographs.html

look here there is a pin bearing missing on the bottom of the reproducer tube at the bend.


So get the Horn soldered and Lube the movable joints on the reproducer and tube.
See if there is that pivot pin or get or make one.


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Post by simplex1040 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:55 pm

Tony Should it be a dual spring motor I assume.
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Post by BarbS on Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:43 pm

How do you know it's a fake? I'll file a complaint with ebay but I want to be confident and specific.

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Post by simplex1040 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:52 pm

I would not know except I do know that there are some India made reproductions out there. I am not sure when they were made.

http://www.gramophones.uk.com/information/fake_indian_gramophones.html
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Post by Bill Cahill on Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:01 am

It is a fake. It was made in another country. I doubt ebay will do anything about it, but, you could trythem, and, also Pay Pal.
I've been collecting antique phonographs, and, restoring them most of my life. These parts are bits, and, pieces from portable wind up machines, and, some plumbing parts, as well.
Case looks like it has been painted black to look old.
The horn elbow isn't made correctly, either.
They make them out of pieces of plumbing. The horns are very thin, and, easily bent up.
I'm sure it has got a small one spring motor in it.
The arm is made all wrong, and, looks like tracking is also wrong, and, will never be right.
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Post by Tony V on Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:02 am

Sim..the link Barb provided at the top of the page is of hers. The last picture shows a single spring motor like used in portables.
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Post by BarbS on Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:12 am

Sad Thank you all. I'll learn, I guess. With your help. I'll try to go through ebay and make my case. I am desperate to find one and got anxious. I have everyone I know on the hunt...

I appreciate you.
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Post by BarbS on Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:29 am

Besides ebay..how do I find one? I'm on the call list for every antique store I can find in four states. I call those I haven't gone too looking. Suggestions?
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Post by Bill Cahill on Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:41 am

Why didn't you buy that nice standard disc machine? That was original.....
I'd reccommend that you start getting books on antiqe phonographs. One might be "Look for the dog" on victor stuff.
A hint. If it's old, and, original, it won'tt be cheap.
Victor outside horn machines in dectn shape start at 650.00, and, quickly go higher to even as high as 4,000.00.
There are, of course cheaper machines made by compannies such as Columbia.
Another hint.
If the decal says something like RCA Victor victrola, it's fake.

About 3 years ago I watched a fake machine sell at a rediculous price on ebay.
They calimed it was an original Edison. First, Edison never made outside horn disc machines for public sale.
It was definately a fake, and, ebay ignored my pleads to stop the auction.
It sold for over 4,000.00 to some lucky sucker.
You need to read books made on antique phonographs.
These will show what the original machines look like.
Years ago, an excellent book came out called "From tinfoil to stereo" by Read, and, Welch.
Occasionally see copies of that one come up on ebay.
Don't buy any machines from India, etc. They are all fake.
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Post by BarbS on Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:53 am

Thanks, Bill. I got one book on them which is what led me to believe this one was real. I didn't buy the standard because they only play standard brand records and I've started accumulating quite a few 78's. I thought it would be hard to find records.
I get what I pay for, I suppose and am willing to pay a fair amount. I'm just scared to buy from ebay now and can't locate them anywhere.

I'll keep looking. Even my extended family is on the hunt so if nothing else it's good ole family fun. I'll check out the book you suggest. Thanks a bunch to everyone. I'll learn.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:59 am

If you send us either the links, or, pictures of the auction of machines you are looking at, we can properly advise you.
These machines are only good for playing accoustic records. If you have run of the mill electrically recorded 78
s, they won't play properly on wind up machines, outside of say a Victor Orthophonic.
If it's big band, swing, rock 'n roll, or, whatever, they may play, but, won't sound good, and, in manny cases, will wear out quickly.
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Post by simplex1040 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:37 am

Tony V wrote:Sim..the link Barb provided at the top of the page is of hers. The last picture shows a single spring motor like used in portables.

Tony I saw that.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:19 am

Actually, what I got was an advertised picture of the machine she bought.
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