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Post by BarbS on Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:43 pm

Hello. Just this past Saturday I accidently wound up in an antique store and came across an old wind up record player (does that mean it's a phonograph?). The owner had just gotten it in and hadn't had time to clean it up. I've in my mid-30's and have never been "into" antiques but I have fallen in love with this record player that I think is considered a phonograph. Since Saturday I've spent almost all my time when not sleeping looking for information and 78's at antique stores and ebay.

It makes me want the kind of phonograph with the cylinder horn. I love the classic way they look. I could easily become a collector.

I found a couple 78's yesterday but the sound quality is not good. I changed the needle and cleaned the records. What should I do? It sounds like they are playing and singing down in a hole and through a blanket.

I'd love to upload a picture here but I can't figure out how.

Also, what's the best way to clean the wood and the metal? I want to learn all I can about these! I love the music from this era. My new obsession is fixing up the sound quality and finding 78's! I'd greatly appreciate your help!
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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:48 pm

Welcome to Tube RAdio Forums..
I'm not sure where, but, look around this site. We have here a fine tutorial on installing pictures.
I suspect that your "Grammophone" plays vertically recorded discs, versus regular 78's, which play latterally discs. When you can get pictures, install them in a new thread in our fine antique phonograph section.
With pictures we can help you out with all your questions, and, a bit more.
Photobucket is one such free photo loading service to do this with. You do have a digital camera??
You will need that with your computer to be able to do this.
If you have questions, please feel free to ask. We have folks that can help you.....

Here you go...
http://www.tuberadioforum.com/t35-how-to-post-pictures
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Post by BarbS on Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:30 pm


http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii298/TubeRadioForum/?action=view&current=Lakesidephoto.jpg
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Post by BarbS on Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:32 pm

I thought it would allow me to upload it directly. Anyway sorry for the confusion. Can you help me learn about this? Is it a phonograph, gramaphone or is it just called a record player? Tips on improving the sound would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:44 pm

No.. Use the last link at bottom. Click on ti a couple of times until it says copied.
Then you past that link in your post.
It will then upload the actual picture. Point to the picture. A dialog box shows with different options. Take the last option at the bottom.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:45 pm

Grammophone for this type.

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Post by Bill Cahill on Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:51 pm

O.K. Looked at your link. Picture is a little dark, and, I need other views, including the side showing the reproducer on tone arm.
This is a latteral cut playing machine as far as I can see, but, it appears to have some issues. First, looks like reproducer is at odd angle, possibley loose.
The crank is either home made, or, missing it's original wood handle.
If that is felt on turntable, it could use replacing. Correct color for it is green. They sell them on ebay, and, most phonograph dealers sell then....
May we see more pictures, prefferably with better lighting, if possible??
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Post by BarbS on Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:32 pm

Here's better photos. Thanks for your help.





In preview these pics are cut off. Hopefully they will post better.
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Post by Bill Cahill on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:33 am

Part of what you need to do Is when you paste a link, then go a space, add a sceond space, and, that seperates pictures.

Now, as to the machine. Part of your problem may be that the tone arm has a very deep dent in it.
Your reproducer could use cleanning, and, a new set of rubber gasdets on both sides of the diaphram.
I wouldn't re finnish the case. I'd use some scott's liquit gold, and, 0000 steel wool to clean up the wood. Then, wipe with soft cloth.
A coat of good furniture wax whould protect it.
Crank is original, but, missing the knob.
Looks like a cute little machine...
This would be called a grammophone, but, also commonly called a victrola, though that name was used by Victor.

In the Edison line, cylinder machines, and, the diamond disc macnines were called Phonograph.
In outside horn machines, Columbia called the Graphophones.
In the internal horn disc machines, they called them Graphonola, sometimes spelled Grafonola.
Brunswicks, etc., commonly called Phonographs.
It varied from mannufacturer to mannufacturert.
But, Edison always stayed with Phonograph.
Record Player commonly started being called that in the 1950's.
Not sure about the 40's, but, 30's litterature often referred to them as electric phonographs.
Hope this helps some.
I'm moving this thread over to the correct forum, which is Phonographs.
Very cute little machine. Looks restorable.
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Post by BarbS on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:10 am

Thank you, very much. I'll research all the terms you used. Do you think it was worth the $85 I spent on it? I really appreciate the information. I think I'm getting hooked...:-)
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Post by Bill Cahill on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:16 am

Off hand, it looks like it is worth that much, but, not alot more. But, I'd say you didn't get cheated, assuming everything else is o.k.
What condition is motor in? Does it wind properly?
Let it run down any time you are finnished using it.
Motor should be cleanned, and, properly lubricated.
These should only be used to play accoustically recorde records. Electrically recorded records made from the late 20's on won't sound good on it.
Change the steel needle after every record.
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Post by denver on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:18 pm

I think it is nice restore it to it,s glory day.
All that brass sure look nice all shined up.
Can order the needles 500 pack.
Heck if i can restore 5 radios ..you can do it.
Will be plenty of help here..not to busy for you.
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